The Real Jesus
7:41 Why should it actually not shock anyone, when men come along and proclaim that they are the Christ?
9:09 What kind of Christs are they?
10:07 What did the Lord Jesus Christ warn his followers once the false Christ
would appear? What did he tell his disciples to do when the false Christ would rise up in the world? How should we deal with this rising of false Christ?
12:04 Was it only the Lord Jesus Christ, who spoke in advance about how there would be those who would proclaim a different Jesus? Did the Apostle Paul also give a warning about false Christ or another Jesus?
21:27 Does the true Church believe that Christ is God? Or that he is God and man or that he is an ordinary man?
24:03 What about the other apostles of the Lord Jesus Christ, who were called later, for example, the apostle Paul? Did Apostle Paul believe or teach that Jesus Christ is God or that he is God and man?
25:40 Why are we not surprised? That the apostles of the Lord Jesus Christ are united or one in their teaching that the Lord Jesus Christ is a man, as far as his nature or state of being is concerned? From whom did they learn this teaching or truth about the Lord Jesus Christ?
27:56 Does the Bible teach that Christ is both God and man at the same time?
28:40 Does God allow for a man to be God also?
31:59 Is this church ever taught that our Lord Jesus Christ is just an ordinary man?
34:24 Why did the apostle Peter preach that Jesus Christ is a very special man? What makes our Lord Jesus Christ unique when compared to all other human beings?
35:42 What is yet another special quality that God granted to our Lord Jesus Christ?
37:20 What is another special quality of our Lord Jesus Christ that is definitely not found in another human being?
41:03 If the Bible doesn’t teach that doctrine that Christ is God, where does it come from? Brother Solomon, what is the source of the teaching that Jesus is truly God?
42:40 What should be done with the doctrines that are different from what the apostles have already set forth like the false doctrine that Jesus is God?
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Brother Johnny Martin: Hello, I’m Johnny Martin and this is the Iglesia Ni Cristo International Edition. Today’s topic, the Lord Jesus Christ.
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Topic: Who is the Real Jesus
Brother Johnny Martin: This historical figure has been the subject of lots of movies, television programs, musicals, books, and magazine articles. He is the most influential person who has ever lived, but who exactly is the real Jesus Christ? This is what we’ll be talking about today on the Iglesia Ni Cristo International Edition.
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Johnny Martin
Quezon City, Philippines
Minister of the Gospel
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Brother Johnny Martin: Joining us are Brother Solomon Joves in San Francisco, California,
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Solomon Joves
San Francisco, California
Minister of the Gospel
Brother Johnny Martin: Brother JoJo Bayani in Los Angeles, California,
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Jojo Bayani
Los Angeles, California
Minister of the Gospel
Brother Johnny Martin: and Brother Glenn David in Sydney, Australia. Hi Brothers.
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Glenn David
Sydney, Australia
Minister of the Gospel
Brothers: Hello, Brother Johnny.
Brother Johnny Martin: Brothers, today we’ll be talking about our Lord Jesus Christ. Now dear viewers, if you would be asked the question, who is Jesus? What would be your answer? How do people who live today view or regard him? Well, let’s take a look at this video and find out.
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Man: Who is Jesus? He was born and he became this prophet for eventually what would become Christianity. And then at the age of 32, he died on the cross and three days later, he was resurrected.
Woman: What don’t really have an opinion about Jesus. I believe that religion was created to control the masses. really.
Man#2: Jesus is the Lord and Savior, that died on the cross for our sins.
Man#3: Jesus is a person that existed that continues to enrich the lives of people every day.
Woman#2: Jesus is God’s son and he was sent to save our sins.
Man#4: I think he is a pretty cool guy. He had a peaceful philosophy. I think he’s misinterpreted by a lot of people.
Man#5: He’s the savior of this world.
Woman#3: I don’t really believe in him. So I don’t really think anything of him.
Man#6: Could have been a real person. I mean, sure he was. I mean, I’m sure he was just, you know, good at what he did or something.
Man#8: I feel like Jesus is a modern day scapegoat.
Woman#4: Jesus is God, I think, yeah, I just learned that.
Man#9: Jesus was a man. From what I figure.
Woman#5: Who is Jesus? He was a dude back in the day, pretty awesome. He had a beard.
Man#10: He was this kind of a guy with a really unique positive message as that kind of gave a lot of people a lot of hope.
Man#11: He probably existed, but I don’t believe that he was the Son of God.
Man#12: He died on the cross for us and saved us and rose again from the dead.
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Brother Johnny Martin: Now, Brothers after watching the video clip where we can see how different people have different ideas about the Lord Jesus Christ, what are your reactions?
Brother Glenn David: I thought, Brother Johnny, it was very interesting to hear and see the reactions of these people, these random people pulled off the street because in a way, it’s a reflection of how the world views the Lord Jesus Christ. And many of them came up with very cliche answers. He is the Son of God. He died for us for the forgiveness of our sins, and all that, but at the same time, they seem very skeptical, uncertain and doubtful about who the real Lord Jesus Christ is.
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Glenn David
Sydney, Australia
Minister of the Gospel
Brother Glenn David: And also one of the quotes that probably stuck out in my mind was that one lady who said, Well, he was one, quote, awesome dude with a beard, which was, I thought, a very interesting choice of words about the most influential person that ever lived here on Earth.
Brother Johnny Martin: Brother Glenn you make some very good points, and we can really see how people from all walks of life. They really have different views or ideas about the Lord Jesus Christ. You know, some honestly say they don’t know anything about him, or admit that they don’t believe in him.
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Brother Johnny Martin: Others say that Jesus Christ was a man. Others claim that he is God and men and women have had conflicting views regarding this one individual. But that’s not the only thing to notice. Today, there are even men who claim that they themselves are Jesus Christ, or the Messiah. Let’s check out these videos.
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Woman: There have been men, many of them who claim to be a new messiah.
ManVO: There are a number of woody messiahs who claim exactly that, and few are more physically convincing than a former Russian traffic cop named Sergei Toro. In the woods of rural Siberia, he is known as Vissarion the teacher, at around 5000 disciples live around him growing their own food and feasting on his every word.
Vissarion: And my whole body was trembling. The trembling is not coming. It’s very emotional to me.
ManVO: Meanwhile, in London, David Shayler says he is the true Lord of lords. But unlike Vissarion, no one believes him.
David Shayler: That doesn’t bother me because I was chosen by God.
ManVO: The former British intelligence agent says his body was filled with the Spirit of Jesus in 2007, a conviction which intensifies on a visit to Jerusalem.
David Shayler: We’re in the church Holy Sepulchre, and this behind me is supposed to be the tomb of Christ. Well, I’m Christ. I’m not in the tomb. I’m not dead yet.
ManVO: But with no support you live in a squatters camp outside London.
David Shayler: I agree with Jesus. I don’t ask for money off people. If you’re the Messiah, you shouldn’t be asking for money, you should have faith that God will look after you.
ManVO: But that is not a sentiment shared by Pastor Apollo Quiboloy. The most successful of the world self labeled saviors
Apollo Quiboloy: The official coming off the Son of God was on April 13 2005.
ManVO: He was an obscure evangelist from the rural Philippines until 2005, when he announced that God had appointed him Christ on earth. This may be the most beautiful spot in the Philippines. And it’s paid for by people who live on $2 a day. So how do you justify your lifestyle? I mean, your watch could probably feed 100 families for a month.
Apollo Quiboloy: If this is not God’s will for me to have these things I have, you can take it away. It is God’s will that we follow. If it is God’s will for us to live like this. You know, you can have a broken heart looking at me, but what can you do?
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Brother Johnny Martin: Okay, Brothers, we just watched that video clip showing these men who say that their Jesus Christ or the Messiah, Brother, obviously, I’m not going to believe that any of those guys is Jesus Christ or the Messiah. Brothers, what is your reaction?
Brother Jojo Bayani: Well, Brother Johnny, the first words that come to mind are nuts. crazy, insane. psychotic. We can understand with the one who doesn’t have a single follower, but with the other two who have followers and they’re actually able to convince these people to, to follow them into to listen and to be guided, but by what they teach, we can only hope that someday soon their followers can plainly see that these people are absolutely false, and that they will only lead them to destruction.
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Jojo Bayani
Los Angeles, California
Minister of the Gospel
Brother Solomon Joves: I on the other hand, Brother Johnny, I believe, and I am convinced 100% that they are indeed delusional. But at the same time, I feel compassion and sadness for the people who are actually duped and deceived by these false preachers who give up their hard earned money and devote their time. And what’s worse is that we believe that if people follow false preachers, they’re not being led to salvation but to destruction.
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Solomon Joves
San Francisco, California
Minister of the Gospel
Brother Johnny Martin: Well, you know, Brothers, these are not the only men who have claimed that they are Jesus Christ or the Messiah. In the past, we know there have been others. But why are we the members of the Iglesia Ni Cristo, Church Of Christ, not surprised by men who make such claims? Brother Solomon, why should it actually not shock anyone, when men come along and proclaim that they are the Christ?
Brother Solomon Joves: Well, the reason Brother Johnny and dear viewers can be read in the Bible, in Matthew 24: 24, this is what the Lord Jesus Christ, the true Jesus himself declared. Kindly listen:
People will come and say they are the Christ. People will come and say they are prophets. But they are not true. They will show big signs and do wonderful things to fool people. They will fool God’s chosen people if they can.
[Matthew 24:24 WE ]
Brother Solomon Joves: The reason we shouldn’t be shocked or surprised not one bit, that there are people claiming to be the Messiah or Jesus Christ is because our Lord Jesus Christ Himself, the true Jesus proclaimed, prophesied or foretold that when the end is near, or when his return is at hand, people will come up and say the very same thing, claiming that they are indeed Jesus Christ, or the Messiah.
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Brother Solomon Joves: So what we are seeing is simply one of the signs given by our Lord Jesus Christ being fulfilled. Now the Lord Jesus Christ also stated that people will come and say, they are the Christ, but they are not true. They’re not true Christs. What kind of Christs are they? They are false Christs. In fact, if we read the same verse in another version of the Bible, this is what is stated in Matthew 24:24 of the New King James Version. This is what we can read:
For false christs and false prophets will rise and show great signs and wonders to deceive, if possible, even the elect.
[Matthew 24:24 New King James Version]
Brother Solomon Joves: So when the elect the members of the true Church Of Christ or the Iglesia Ni Cristo hear about these men stepping up and claiming that they are the Messiah, the anointed one or the Jesus Christ, the true Jesus Christ. It doesn’t surprise us any longer. It doesn’t shock us because this is merely in fulfillment of the sign given by our Lord Jesus Christ. What He foretold long ago that this indeed will happen when the end is near.
Brother Johnny Martin: Now Brother Jojo, what did the Lord Jesus Christ warn his followers once the false Christ would appear? What did he tell his disciples to do when the false Christ would rise up in the world? How should we deal with this rising of false Christ?
Brother Jojo Bayani: That’s an excellent question. The Bible has the most appropriate answer. Here in the book of Matthew chapter 24, verse 23:
Then if anyone says to you, ‘Look, here is the Christ!’ or ‘There!’ do not believe it.
[Matthew 24:23 NKJV]
Brother Jojo Bayani: And so our Lord Jesus Christ has a warning. If anyone else would come and claim that they are Christ, or that they are the Messiah or the Savior, we should not believe them. Now, mind you, these people might be well dressed, they might be able to speak eloquently.
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Brother Jojo Bayani: They are able to hold up the Bible and quote verses there in which these people are able to attract large followers. Some people will simply claim that they are the true Christ, or Jesus in human form.
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Jojo Bayani
Los Angeles, California
Minister of the Gospel
Brother Jojo Bayani: But remember distinctly what our Lord Jesus Christ said, by way of a warning, if anyone comes to you and says, He is the Christ, or he is the Savior, our Lord Jesus Christ, the one and only true, Jesus Christ said, do not believe them. And so we should not pay any attention to them. Because they are simply untrue. They are simply false.
Brother Johnny Martin: Now, Brothers, we can see in the bible verses that we read so far, that there would be false Christ who would rise up in the world and that we are not to believe in them. That’s what the Lord Jesus Christ taught. Such men would fall into the category of being a different Jesus.
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Johnny Martin
Quezon City, Philippines
Minister of the Gospel
Brother Johnny Martin: However, Brother Glenn, was it only the Lord Jesus Christ, who spoke in advance about how there would be those who would proclaim a different Jesus? Did the Apostle Paul also give a warning about false Christ or another Jesus?
Brother Glenn David: Yes, Brother Johnny was not only the Lord Jesus Christ, but also the apostles. As we can read here in second Corinthians chapter 11, 3 to 4. This is what we could read:
But I fear, less somehow, as the serpent deceived Eve by his craftiness, so your minds may be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ. For if he who comes preaches another Jesus whom we have not preached, or if you receive a different spirit which you have not received, or a different gospel which you have not accepted– you may well put up with it!
[II Corinthians 11:3-4 NKJV]
Brother Glenn David: So Brother Johnny, I believe the key words here strongly emphasized here by the apostle Paul was different or another. Why different or another because the apostles forewarned that there’ll be various preachers at a future time that will preach a different Jesus, another Jesus a different gospel, or receive a different spirit from what was taught by Christ, and the apostles.
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Glenn David
Sydney, Australia
Minister of the Gospel
Brother Glenn David: So if we want to know who the true Jesus is, well, no one else would know except the apostle Paul and the other apostles, because they were there during that time. They saw the Lord Jesus Christ face to face, they received counsel teaching from him, they traveled with him, they even wrote about him in the New Testament. So the apostle Paul, therefore gave us a warning in regards to these false preachers preaching a different Jesus or receiving a different spirit. He said, ‘You may well put up with it,’ or the equivalent of that we must avoid them. Don’t be deceived, because they are false Christs, false messiahs.
Brother Johnny Martin: So basically Brothers, anyone today who claims to be Jesus Christ, or the Messiah is not speaking the truth. There is simply false Christ. They are different Jesus.
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Brother Johnny Martin: But Brothers is the only thing that people should be aware of when talking about a different Jesus. What else do people say about Jesus that we should be aware of, so as not to be deceived. What other religious leaders taught about the Lord Jesus Christ for centuries? Who is the Jesus that many people have been led to believe in? Let’s watch this video.
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Robert Barron: The most important thing to know about Jesus is that he’s God. Jesus is the God-man at the Council of Calsevia, when the Christian church gathered, and in its orthodox teaching, said, Jesus is the hypostatic union of two natures in one person. It said he’s fully divine and fully human. Therefore no to monasticism. He’s not just divine, no to Nestorianism. He’s not just human, and not Arianism. He’s not some weird blending of the two. But he is the one who in his person is fully human and fully divine. Now that becomes the ground, I think for so much in the Catholic imagination. Cal Seaton said both, and he’s divine and human without mixing, mingling or confusion. He doesn’t stop being God, nor is His humanity compromised, but rather, when divinity and humanity meet in Jesus, the two of them can coexist.
TV Evangelist: To proclaim the love of God, to demonstrate the love of God, and to live the life that we have not lived, to live as a substitute on our behalf. The reason we believe that Jesus Christ is the only God is because Jesus Christ, repeatedly, emphatically, unapologetically, openly, publicly declared himself to be God.
SpokenWordArtist: Jesus is God, and I dare you tell me otherwise, knowing that the sins of the world can fit on nobody else’s backs, but God but God back to self when he sent his son to take his wrath just to bring us back to himself. Here are some examples. One, Jesus said in John 10:29 and 30, that no man could pluck us out of the hands of the Father, and I and the Father are one. So you can’t say one without the other Brother Muhammad the Allah you serve is short for all lives of all eyes on Christ, the secrets don’t compare one to two. Two. first John 20:23 says: Whoever denies the son, that’s not the father, but he will accept the Son as the Father also letting us know that there was one and so three first John five and seven cents for the three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word and the Holy Ghost, and these three are one.
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Brother Johnny Martin: Brothers, how do you feel listening to religious leaders and others who proclaim even passionately that the Lord Jesus Christ is God?
Brother Solomon Joves: There are a couple of things that I would like to point out first and foremost is that there is no version of the Bible that is correctly translated that ever states categorically that the Lord Jesus Christ is God.
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Solomon Joves
San Francisco, California
Minister of the Gospel
Brother Solomon Joves: Nor does the Bible state or teach that our Lord God is composed of three alleged divine persons. Now, secondly, with regard to the first verse, that was cited by the spoken word artist who was doing his rap, John 10:29 to 30.
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Brother Solomon Joves: Well, he completely misinterpreted the contents of that verse, he said that that verse allegedly taught that Jesus and the Father are one God. Well, in fact, if we read those verses, Christ didn’t say or claim that he and the Father are one God, what he said was, he and the Father are one. And if we read it in context, we will find out that our Lord Jesus Christ was speaking how he and the Father are one in the same in regards to taking care of the flock, looking after the sheep, or the followers are the disciples of our Lord Jesus Christ. In fact, if we read John 10: 30, in the Lamsa translation or version, where Lord Jesus Christ said, ‘I and the father of one accord.’ So the Bible, John 10:28, 29, to 30 does not support the teaching, the false teaching that our Lord Jesus Christ is God.
Brother Jojo Bayani: And, concerning the second passage which the spoken word artist mentioned first John 2:23, this is what it says:
Whoever denies the Son does not have the father either; he who acknowledges the Son has the Father also.
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Brother Jojo Bayani: The implication that that artist made was this, he wanted the verse to say,’ Whoever denies the Son as the true God does not have the father either. He who acknowledges the Son as the true God has the Father also.’ So what it says and once again, let us make it clear what it says is, whoever denies the Son does not have the father either.
Brother Jojo Bayani: He who acknowledges the Son has the Father also. So as we can plainly see, nowhere in that verse does it say that our Lord Jesus Christ is God. That is simply not the case.
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Jojo Bayani
Los Angeles, California
Minister of the Gospel
Brother Glenn David: Also, Brother Johnny was also the mention of First John five seven, also controversially known as the Johannine, comma. There’s a lot of history involved in this but to go straight to the point, first John 5: 7 the Father, the Word and the Holy Ghost, and these three are one. These words are actually absent from the original Greek manuscripts. That’s why modern translations of the Holy Bible these days don’t have that, except perhaps the KJV, or the King James Version.
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Brother Glenn David: But if one was to do their research concerning First John 5:7, what they would find is that this was added as a desperate attempt to prove the supposed Holy Trinity. Not only that Brother Johnny, but also Bruce Metzger, a very famous Greek scholar also mentioned in his book, A Textual Commentary on the New Testament that these words are spurious, and have no place or standing in the New Testament at all. And so therefore, First John 5:7 cannot be used as a basis to prove that Christ is God, or that there is a so-called Holy Trinity.
Brother Johnny Martin: So dear friends, we have seen that people have different views about the Lord Jesus Christ. Some question whether or not he is a real historical figure, some think that he was just an ordinary man, some think that he is God or that he is God and man, but who is the real Jesus Christ, whom we should have faith in? We’re going to learn more about this as the Iglesia Ni Cristo International Edition continues, please stay with us.
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Brother Johnny Martin: Welcome back, everyone to the Iglesia Ni Cristo International Edition, we will be continuing with our discussion on the true Jesus Christ.
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Brother Johnny Martin: Now we saw earlier how others have falsely or wrongly claimed to be Jesus Christ or the Messiah. And besides that many religions or churches teach and believe that Jesus Christ is God. However, what about the true Church Of Christ? Brother Jojo, does the true Church believe that Christ is God? Or that he is God and man or that he is an ordinary man?
Brother Jojo Bayani: Well, Brother Johnny, the answer to all of those questions is no.
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Jojo Bayani
Los Angeles, California
Minister of the Gospel
Brother Jojo Bayani: When it comes to the true Church, the true Christian church, it does not believe that Christ is God. Nor do the true Christians believe that Christ is both true God and true man. And it does not believe that Christ is just an ordinary man. I think it’s important to note two matters as we continue our discussion. Number one, the attributes or qualities that our Lord Jesus Christ possesses. And number two, what is the nature or the state of being of our Lord Jesus Christ? Let us first begin with his true nature or state of being. According to the Bible, what is the true nature of our Lord Jesus Christ? Let me read to you here in the book of Acts, chapter 2, verse 22:
Men of Israel, hear these words; Jesus of Nazareth, a Man attested by God to you by miracles, wonders, and signs which God did through Him in your midst, as you yourselves also know–
[Acts 2:22 NKJV]
Brother Jojo Bayani: So as we have just read from the scriptures, the speaker of the verse is one of the first apostles called by our Lord Jesus Christ, the apostle Peter. What did the apostle Peter say with regard to our Lord Jesus Christ? He testified that our Lord Jesus Christ is a man, a human being, when it comes to his nature or state of being.
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Brother Jojo Bayani: It’s important to note that our apostle Peter was one of the first followers of our Lord Jesus Christ, one who accompanied our Lord Jesus Christ during his early travels. And with regard to this man, he testified, and never did he teach that our Lord Jesus Christ is God. He simply said, Jesus is a man, a human being.
Brother Johnny Martin: Now, Brother Solomon, what about the other apostles of the Lord Jesus Christ, who were called later, for example, the apostle Paul? Did Apostle Paul believe or teach that Jesus Christ is God or that he is God and man?
Brother Solomon Joves: Brother Johnny. And dear viewers, this is what the Apostle Paul taught. One of the things that he taught about our Lord Jesus Christ is recorded here in First Timothy 2:5 it says:
For there is one God and one Mediator between God and men, the Man Christ Jesus.
[First Timothy 2:5 NKJV]
Brother Solomon Joves: The one speaking in this verse that we have just quoted, is the apostle Paul, no Apostle Paul was called and chosen to be an apostle after our Lord Jesus Christ had already ascended into heaven.
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Solomon Joves
San Francisco, California
Minister of the Gospel
Brother Solomon Joves: And he makes it very clear in this verse that we have read that there is one mediator between God and man, and that mediator is none other than our Lord Jesus Christ. He also points out the nature or the state of being of that one mediator who is Christ he is man In nature. So he didn’t teach that our Lord Jesus Christ is God. Nor did the Apostle Paul teach that Christ is both men and God, or that he is God in human form. Apostle Paul clearly teaches us that our Lord Jesus Christ is the mediator, who is man in nature or state of being. And also in the verse that we have just quoted, Apostle Paul proves that Christ is not God when He said that there is one God and one mediator between God and man, because God is not the mediator. And the mediator is not God. So the fact that Jesus Christ is the mediator is proof that he is a man in the state of being and not God. So we can see here, dear viewers, that the apostles are united in teaching about the true nature state of being of our Lord Jesus Christ, that He’s not God, but man in nature or state of being.
Brother Johnny Martin: Now, Brother Glenn, why are we not surprised? That the apostles of the Lord Jesus Christ are united or one in their teaching that the Lord Jesus Christ is a man, as far as his nature or state of being is concerned? From whom did they learn this teaching or truth about the Lord Jesus Christ?
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Johnny Martin
Quezon City, Philippines
Minister of the Gospel
Brother Glenn David: You know, Brother Johnny, if anyone would know what the true nature of our Lord Jesus Christ is, well, it will be the Savior Himself, the Lord Jesus Christ. And he thought that he thought that here in John, chapter 8, verse 40, it says:
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Glenn David
Sydney, Australia
Minister of the Gospel
I am a man who has told you the truth that I heard from God. But now you want to kill me. Abraham wouldn’t have done that.
[John 8:40 GW]
Brother Glenn David: So our Lord Jesus Christ clearly shows that He is distinct or different from the Lord God, because in this instance, if Christ were a God, then this will be the chance to reveal it because the Jews were trying to kill him. However, he never said that He never said that I am God. He said that I am a man who has told you the truth, and that’s a keyword there. The truth is that Jesus is a man and this truth he heard from God.
Brother Glenn David: So Jesus Christ who received that truth is different from the God who gave that truth to the Lord Jesus Christ. So once again, when it comes to that key word truth, who should we believe the various preachers of the world today who say that Jesus Christ is God or God-man or the truth taught by the Savior Himself, the Lord Jesus Christ, when He said that I am a man.
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Brother Johnny Martin: So Brothers when the English and the Christofle claim to proclaim that the Lord Jesus Christ is a man and not God well, that position is strongly supported by the Bible. Our Lord Jesus Christ is definitely not the source of the teaching, that He is God. However, others may argue and say that no, they don’t dispute the teaching that Jesus is a man, they say that they accept that, but at the same time they teach that Jesus is God. Now, does the Bible teach that Jesus has a dual nature. Brother Jojo does the Bible teach that Christ is both God and man at the same time?
Brother Jojo Bayani: Well, let’s read what our Almighty God himself said on the journey. Here in Hosea 11:9:
I will not execute the fierceness of My anger;
I will not again destroy Ephraim.
For I am God, and not man, The Holy One in your midst;
And I will not come with terror.
[Hosea 11:9 NKJV]
Brother Jojo Bayani: And so we see that our Lord God himself is the one who says, ‘I am God. I am not a man.’ And so the Bible or the Holy Scriptures does not support the idea of what is commonly called as a hypostatic union.
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Brother Jojo Bayani: In other words, there are two natures in our Lord Jesus Christ that are both God and human at the same time. Remember what God said, I am God, and not man. And so God is definitely not a human being.
Brother Johnny Martin: Brother Solomon, does God allow for a man to be God also?
Brother Solomon Joves: Well, this is the answer of Our Lord God himself to that question that you posed, Brother Johnny, I will read it here in Ezekiel chapter 28, verse 2, it says:
Son of man, say to the leader of Tyre, ‘Thus says the Lord God, “Because your heart is lifted up And you have said,’ I am a god, I sit in the seat of gods In the heart of the seas;’ Yet you are a man and not God, Although you make your heart like the heart of God–
[Ezekiel 28:2 NASB]
Brother Solomon Joves: Dear viewers, God does not allow for a man to be God als. For God says here in the verse that we have just quoted that man is man and not God. And since our Lord Jesus Christ is a man when it comes to his nature or state of being that clearly proves that He is not God because He is already man. So there is no absolute truth to the idea or the doctrine that our Lord Jesus Christ possesses dual nature that he is both man and God. The simple fact that he is man proves that he is not a god, but rather Christ is man.
Brother Johnny Martin:So dear friends we’ve seen from the Bible, that the true Jesus Christ, the one we can read about in the Bible is not God. He is not God and man and he is not God in human form.
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Johnny Martin
Quezon City, Philippines
Minister of the Gospel
Brother Johnny Martin: The Lord Jesus Christ is a man or a human being. However, the question is this. Does this mean that the Church Of Christ or Iglesia Ni Cristo believes that Christ is an ordinary man or just a man? We’re going to answer that as the Iglesia Ni Cristo International Edition continues. Please stay with us.
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VO: In Siberia, Vissarion has also been accused of mind control, but there’s not enough evidence to try him. And David Shayler? Well, there are fewer legal headaches for profits without followers, but still plenty of moments to bring a so-called Son of God back to Earth.
Little Girl: Do you think you’re Jesus?
David Shayler: Sorry.
Little Girl: Are you Jesus?
David Shayler: I am Jesus. Yes.
Little Girl: No, you’re not.
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Brother Johnny Martin: Hello, and welcome back to the Iglesia Ni Cristo International Edition. Today we’re talking about the real Jesus Christ.
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Johnny Martin
Quezon City, Philippines
Minister of the Gospel
Brother Johnny Martin: Now, you just watched a clip of a man in London, claiming to be Jesus and a little girl calling him out on it, that he’s not the real Jesus, that is actually a really great clip. Now, Brothers, we’ve shared with our viewers several passages of the Bible that showed that our Lord Jesus Christ as a man or human being with regards to his nature, and that is exactly the faith of the Iglesia Ni Cristo.
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Topic: Who is the Real Jesus
Brother Johnny Martin: However, this has caused others to conclude that this Church believes that Jesus Christ is just an ordinary man or tao lamang, po in the Filipino language. Brothers has this church ever taught, Brother Jojo, is this church ever taught that our Lord Jesus Christ is just an ordinary man?
Brother Jojo Bayani: Brother Johnny, this is the perfect time to clarify our beliefs. We believe and we teach in the true Church Of Christ, that our Lord Jesus Christ is a man, a human being.
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Jojo Bayani
Los Angeles, California
Minister of the Gospel
Brother Jojo Bayani: But let us clarify an important matter. We have never taught that our Lord Jesus Christ is just an ordinary man. He is a human being, he is a man, but not an ordinary man, or as we say, in Tagalog or Filipino, tao lang. Let us look at what the Bible says, with regard to our Lord Jesus Christ. What kind of man or human being is he? In Acts 2:22. This is what it says:
People of Israel, listen to these words: Jesus from Nazareth was a very special man. God clearly showed this to you by the miracles, wonders, and signs he did through Jesus. You all know this, because it happened right here among you.
[Acts 2:22 NCV]
Brother Jojo Bayani: We understand that when the apostles preached or spoke, they were under the guidance of the power of the Holy Spirit. So what did apostle Peter say with regard to our Lord Jesus Christ? He is a man, a human being. But Apostle Peter said, he is a very special man. And that is what we believe. And that is what we teach in the true Church Of Christ. Yes, Christ is human, but he is a very special man.
Brother Johnny Martin: So Brothers are anyone who ever claims this Church the lglesia Ni Cristo is preaching that Jesus Christ is an ordinary man or tao lamang, po. Well, that person or that preacher or that religious group, well, they’re simply misrepresenting the Iglesia Ni Cristo or the Church Of Christ. Now, Brother Glenn, why did the apostle Peter preach that Jesus Christ is a very special man? What makes our Lord Jesus Christ unique when compared to all other human beings?
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Brother Glenn David: Well, Jesus Christ is a very special man or a very unique human being because he possesses qualities and attributes that can only be found in him and these attributes were only given to him by God Almighty himself, which makes him very different Brother.
Brother Johnny Martin: What would be some of the qualities?
Brother Glenn David: Well, I’ll read one of them here and Acts chapter 2, verse 36, the Lordship of Christ. It says this:
So, all the people of Israel should know this truly; God has made Jesus– the man you nailed to the cross– both Lord and Christ.
[Acts 2:36 NCV]
Brother Glenn David: So the Lord God made Jesus Christ, both Lord, and Christ. But what we must understand is that this does not make Jesus Christ God, because the lordship of God is very different from the lordship of our Lord Jesus Christ, because the lordship of God is eternal.
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Glenn David
Sydney, Australia
Minister of the Gospel
Brother Glenn David: It’s inherent, it was always with God, however, the Lordship of Christ, it was given to him by the Almighty God. So once again, it shows that they are different, the one who received that lordship Christ is different from the God who gave him that lordship. So why is it that the Lord God gave the Lord Jesus Christ that lordship? Well, it’s because for us to follow and to obey the teachings taught to us by our Lord Jesus Christ, which is one of the very special qualities given to him by the Almighty God Himself.
Brother Johnny Martin: Now, Brother Solomon, Brother Glenn, have shown us from the Bible, one of the qualities that our Lord Jesus Christ has is He is our Lord. What is yet another special quality that God granted to our Lord Jesus Christ?
Brother Solomon Joves: One other attribute of our Lord Jesus Christ, granted to him by God is recorded here in Acts chapter 5, verses 29 through 31. It says:
Then Peter and the apostles answered him, “It is our duty to obey the orders of God rather than the orders of men. It was the God of our fathers who raised up Jesus, whom you murdered by hanging him on a cross of wood. God has raised this man to his own right hand as prince and savior, to bring repentance and the forgiveness of sins to Israel.
[Acts 5:29-31 Phillips NT]
Brother Solomon Joves: Jesus is the man whom our Lord God exalted, to be Prince and Savior.
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Brother Solomon Jove: And again, we can see quite clearly in these verses that we have quoted the distinction between God and our Lord Jesus Christ. There is a man that was raised up and exalted to be Savior, and that is our Lord Jesus Christ. And the one who did the exalting and raising up to have that man become savior and prince is none other than our Father or God. Therefore, it is quite clear in this teaching of the Bible, that there is no other Savior appointed by God, none other than our Lord Jesus Christ, and he is a man in nature or state of being.
Brother Johnny Martin: Well, Brother Jojo, what is another special quality of our Lord Jesus Christ that is definitely not found in another human being?
Brother Jojo Bayani: Let’s cite a few Brother by reading from Philippians chapter 2, verses 5, 8, through 11.
You should think in the same way Christ Jesus does. He appeared as a man.
He came down to the lowest level.
He obeyed God completely, even though it led to his death. In fact, he died on a cross. So God lifted him up to the highest place. He gave him the name that is above every name. When the name of Jesus has been spoken, everyone’s knee will bow to worship Him. Every knee in heaven and on earth and under the earth will bow to worship him. Everyone’s mouth will say that Jesus Christ is Lord. And God the Father will receive the glory.
[Philippians 2:5, 8-11 NIRV]
Brother Jojo Bayani: Here we can see that there is a man who was lifted, who was exalted by our Almighty God. Given a name above every name on the face of this earth, and he was commanded to be worshiped. Every knee should bow down and worship our Lord Jesus Christ.
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Jojo Bayani
Los Angeles, California
Minister of the Gospel
Brother Jojo Bayani: And so, our Lord Jesus Christ is at the farthest that we can say from being ordinary or just common. He is a very special man, and he is the only one who has these attributes or qualities. Something to also point out is, we can see here the clear difference between the true God and our Lord Jesus Christ. It was Christ who was exalted. It was Christ who was given the name above every name, it was Christ, whom God commanded that everyone should worship. But take note, it was God, who exalted Christ.
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Brother Jojo Bayani: It was God who gave Christ the name above every name, and it was God who commanded that Christ be worshiped. Not to be worshiped as another God. Christ is to be worshiped, because it brings glory to the one and only true God.
Brother Johnny Martin: So our Lord Jesus Christ is not the true God. He never was. Any will never be dear friends. So if the Bible is not the source of the teaching, that our Lord Jesus Christ is a true God. Well, then it brings us to this question, where does this teaching actually come from? We’re going to answer that as the Iglesia Ni Cristo International Edition continues. Again, please stay with us.
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Brother Johnny Martin: Welcome back, everyone to the Iglesia Ni Cristo International Edition. We’ve already learned from the Bible that the true Jesus is a very special man who has qualities that are not found in any other man.
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TODAY’S TOPIC: Who is the Real Jesus?
Brother Johnny Martin: He is the Lord, the Savior, our mediator to mention a few, the men who have claimed to be Jesus or the Messiah, well, they are NOT THE REAL JESUS. They are false christ. Also those who teach that Christ is God, are also teaching a false Christ because the Bible does not introduce Christ that way at all.
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Johnny Martin
Quezon City, Philippines
Minister of the Gospel
Brother Johnny Martin: Well, if the Bible doesn’t teach that doctrine that Christ is God, where does it come from? Brother Solomon, what is the source of the teaching that Jesus is truly God?
Brother Solomon Joves: Well, let us read the answer from a book entitled, Discourses on the Apostles’ Creed, written by a Catholic priest by the name of Clement H. Crock, on page 206 of this book, this is what we can read:
[Discourses on the Apostles’ Creed, Clement H. Crock, Page 206]
Thus, for example, it was not until 325 ad at the Council of Nicaea, that the church defined for us that it was an article of faith that Jesus is truly God.
Brother Solomon Joves: Dear friends, the teaching that our Lord Jesus Christ is truly God is not from the Bible. Never can we find that doctrine written in the Holy Scriptures.
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Solomon Joves
San Francisco, California
Minister of the Gospel
Brother Solomon Joves: Well, where did it come from? That false doctrine, or article of faith was defined by the bishops of the Catholic Church that were convened, and the Council of Nicaea. This council was convened in 325 AD. The article of faith alleging that Jesus is truly God was also declared in 325 AD, or in the fourth century, long after the writing of the Holy Bible had been completed. So this teaching that our Lord Jesus Christ is allegedly God is a man-made teaching.
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Brother Solomon Joves: It’s not recorded in the Bible. In fact, it opposes what the Holy Scriptures teaches because our Lord Jesus Christ is man. To believe that He is God is to believe in a different Jesus or false Jesus.
Brother Johnny Martin: Well, dear friends, what should be done with the doctrines that are different from what the apostles have already set forth like the false doctrine that Jesus is God?
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Johnny Martin
Quezon City, Philippines
Minister of the Gospel
Brother Johnny Martin: What should be done with those who are introducing themselves as being Jesus, when they are in fact fake? Well, the apostles tell us right here, in Galatians 1:6 down to 8
I marvel that you were turning away so soon from Him who called you in the grace of Christ, to a different gospel, which is not another; but there are some who trouble you and want to pervert the gospel of Christ. But even if we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel to you than what we have preached to you, let him be accursed.
[Galatians 1:6 NKJV]
Brother Johnny Martin: According to the Holy Bible, the fake Christ should be rejected. They should be ignored by us dear friends. False doctrines also about a different Jesus. Well, they too should also be rejected.
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Brother Johnny Martin: What we should do, dear friends, is believe or have faith in the true Jesus. Believe in Jesus being introduced by the Bible, that Jesus was a very special man with unique qualities or attributes that are found only in Him. That is the Jesus believed in and proclaimed by the Iglesia Ni Cristo, the Church Of Christ.
Brother Johnny Martin: We like to thank Brother Solomon Jove in San Francisco, Brother Jojo Bayani in Los Angeles and Brother Glenn David in Sydney, Australia for giving us Bible based answers so that, as the Apostle Peter said to the members of the church, you will be ready to speak up until anyone who asks why you’re living the way you are. And that’s in first Peter 3:15.
Brother Johnny Martin: Well, that does it for us here on the Iglesia Ni Cristo International Edition. We hope you’ll join us again next time. I’m Johnny Martin, and thank you for watching. We invite you to join us for a short prayer.
Brother Solomon Joves: Our Almighty and gracious Father in heaven, from our hearts, we offer you our most sincere thanksgiving. You’ve given us this wonderful chance and opportunity to be able to preach your words, to share them with our viewers, dear father. We believe please help us all, to embrace and accept them with faith, humility and understanding. But most of all, grant us dear father, that desire to obey your will to live by your teachings in your commandments, that we may raise and glorify your highest name. Our Dear Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, we praise and worship you as well, dear Jesus. Thank You for the many graces that You bestow upon us. Thank you for giving us this opportunity to be able to make you known to our viewers, help them to fully understand your true nature, dear Lord, how invaluable you are to our salvation, that we may all be joined inside your holy Church, serving you and our father, until the day you return. Dear God we believe that you’ve heard our prayers that you have blessed us all once more. We ask these things ever so humbly in the name of Your Beloved Son, our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. Amen.
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